To summarise her article: it's useful to look at some men's reaction to rape issues as a framing problem where there are two competing frames: the people who see sex as a game to win, and the people who see it as an opportunity for collaboration. The people trying to win keep obsessing over rules and points, like "does it count as rape if I do X? What about X?" like sex is the ball and the men's team is trying to get control of the ball from the women's team. (For a good example of that, check out all the male/female relationships in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, argh.)
So, here's when the current discussion comes in: I think there's a similar set of frames going on here: the people who think the goal is for individuals not to be racist, and who are arguing (for instance) that
If there’s some ambiguity when the referee calls a foul, your teammates (other men) are supposed to clamor to your defense, regardless of whether or not you actually fouled. If the foul is called, then the woman team scores a point (or a free throw in basketball, but you get the idea).
In particular, I've seen a lot of this, of white people clamouring to
And there's the other frame, the idea that racism is structural and institutional and you can perpetuate it even while intending the opposite, because it's ingrained and pervasive and that POC see it everywhere because it is everywhere, not because they've got mean, faulty, POC goggles on. Racism is interwoven with everyone's history, and we all have to live with it and unmake it (or just survive it.) The goal for white people (but hint: the whole point of this frame is that it's not All About White People) is not to divorce themselves from their privilege by denying it, but to try to make things suck less for POCs, particularly by dismantling insitutional privilege where they can, and supporting POC's efforts to do so.
In this frame, clamouring to a white person's defense because a POC called her on something she wrote doesn't make sense, because it's not about
And more importantly than what's happening with
Finally, for reference and because they should be read more widely: Avalon Willow's and
Open Letter to Elizabeth Bear
I Didn't Dream of Dragons
(Administrative note: there's probably racist fail of my own buried somewhere in this post or elsewhere in my journal. It's nobody else's job to point that out for me, but if you do wish to, I promise I'll listen and not get mad.)
Edit: I wrote all this before reading
2009-01-15 01:29 pm (UTC)
(Or, less long-windedly, thank you. :)
2009-01-15 02:06 pm (UTC)
2009-01-15 02:08 pm (UTC)
That said, what you're saying here about racism: WORD.
2009-01-15 02:36 pm (UTC)
(Though if it were a competitive model, she would totally win points for her response, and for listening, which no one ever does. *g* But it's not.)
2009-01-15 05:21 pm (UTC)
2009-01-15 06:05 pm (UTC)
2009-01-16 02:15 am (UTC)
2009-01-16 06:06 pm (UTC)
here from rydra_wong
2009-01-18 09:08 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
2009-01-19 12:50 am (UTC)
It reminds me of an enlightening essay I read when I was teaching introductory ethics, that pointed out that in any two-sided discussion of an issue, at a certain point you will reach a base-level where the two sides are simply caring about different things/coming from different viewpoints, and sometimes these are inaccessible to compromise.
So that in the abortion debate, both sides care about life, but one side (simplistically speaking) privileges that of the mother, and one privileges the unborn.
I think this whole thing also points to the dangers of unquestioning loyalty to one's friends and assuming that good intentions are relevant, sufficient, and some kind of magical thing that protects one from criticism.
2009-01-19 09:41 am (UTC)