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About the current racism and Othering discussion
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[info]vassilissa
Ironically, my point here comes from a blog post by Amanda Marcotte. I say ironically, because Amanda Marcotte has huge faily race issues of her own.

To summarise her article: it's useful to look at some men's reaction to rape issues as a framing problem where there are two competing frames: the people who see sex as a game to win, and the people who see it as an opportunity for collaboration. The people trying to win keep obsessing over rules and points, like "does it count as rape if I do X? What about X?" like sex is the ball and the men's team is trying to get control of the ball from the women's team. (For a good example of that, check out all the male/female relationships in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon, argh.)

So, here's when the current discussion comes in: I think there's a similar set of frames going on here: the people who think the goal is for individuals not to be racist, and who are arguing (for instance) that [info]matociquala intended in her book to subvert a racist cliche, and that any criticism of racism in the book not acknowledging that intention is invalid... Like the basketball players of Marcotte's post, they're trying to score points. Racism is about what you, a white person, can and can't do.

If there’s some ambiguity when the referee calls a foul, your teammates (other men) are supposed to clamor to your defense, regardless of whether or not you actually fouled. If the foul is called, then the woman team scores a point (or a free throw in basketball, but you get the idea).

In particular, I've seen a lot of this, of white people clamouring to [info]matociquala's defense because they perceived Avalon Willow as calling a foul.

And there's the other frame, the idea that racism is structural and institutional and you can perpetuate it even while intending the opposite, because it's ingrained and pervasive and that POC see it everywhere because it is everywhere, not because they've got mean, faulty, POC goggles on. Racism is interwoven with everyone's history, and we all have to live with it and unmake it (or just survive it.) The goal for white people (but hint: the whole point of this frame is that it's not All About White People) is not to divorce themselves from their privilege by denying it, but to try to make things suck less for POCs, particularly by dismantling insitutional privilege where they can, and supporting POC's efforts to do so.

In this frame, clamouring to a white person's defense because a POC called her on something she wrote doesn't make sense, because it's not about [info]matociquala losing something by being called racist, it's about Avalon Willow having her say, and [info]matociquala listening and gaining understanding of her point of view. [info]matociquala doesn't lose by that, she gains. As a writer, she gains understanding of how she's communicating with her readers, and that's critical.

And more importantly than what's happening with [info]matociquala, Avalon Willow gets to have her say - without a posse of defenders, unwanted or otherwise, coming to her aid, I might add. The fact that [info]matociquala has these defenders *is* a sign that her voice is privileged in this discussion and Avalon Willow's is underprivileged. (And to be fair, [info]matociquala is aware of all that, but this isn't about [info]matociquala, this is about Avalon Willow and the people trying to invalidate her voice in this discussion.)

Finally, for reference and because they should be read more widely: Avalon Willow's and [info]deepad's posts.
Open Letter to Elizabeth Bear
I Didn't Dream of Dragons

(Administrative note: there's probably racist fail of my own buried somewhere in this post or elsewhere in my journal. It's nobody else's job to point that out for me, but if you do wish to, I promise I'll listen and not get mad.)

Edit: I wrote all this before reading [info]deepad's later post, which expresses all this much better.

I have to admit, I feel cheerful (possibly to the point of Pollyannaishness) so what I'm concentrating on is the awesomeness of attempt. I was impressed with [info]matociquala for trying, for listening, for not taking the easy out that all the people saying various versions of "Willow etc are overreacting, people see racism where none is there, etc" were trying to give her. Likewise, I think your analogy here is a really good description of these competing mental models, points-in-a-game vs trying to fix and rebuild the society we all have to live in.

(Or, less long-windedly, thank you. :)

I actually think your post expresses the general metaphor really well, while Deepad's gets into the meat of it. I think they compliment each other.

I made a post about that "Collaborative vs. Point-scorer" model. To be honest, I wasn't a fan of that model-- I've seen more than enough "Collaborators" do shitty things. Not being a rapist doesn't neccessarily make someone a good person, nor does it absolve them of other crappy things they might have done/be doing/believe.

That said, what you're saying here about racism: WORD.


this is a great analogy -- and I think you actually do a much better job of it than Marcotte does. Actually, I think you are stretching her analogy, to a place which makes more sense to me. She's talking about how sex is cooperative, but you are talking about how the point here is not whether or not you tried, but whether or not the world is a less racist place and can we make things slightly more pleasant for people, thank you very much. Which is a great way to think about racism.

(Though if it were a competitive model, she would totally win points for her response, and for listening, which no one ever does. *g* But it's not.)

Oh, this is also a good theory about what's going on, which is to say why Bear has all these “defenders” she doesn't want. I was leaning toward 'chivalry', but yours also makes sense.

Hey, this is fabulous, thank you! So many good posts to read, including the open letter :)

I really like this analogy, thank you!

Here from the Aqueduct page of links--seconding the "awesome" post, and brilliant use of analogy (a rare thing!) to actually make sense of what's going on.

This doesn't help with the pain, but it does make more sense of the actions, where so many people claim that they are trying to be racially sensitive and then fail hard and fast.

Thank you.

This is most excellent, and gives me a really useful framework for the future.

It reminds me of an enlightening essay I read when I was teaching introductory ethics, that pointed out that in any two-sided discussion of an issue, at a certain point you will reach a base-level where the two sides are simply caring about different things/coming from different viewpoints, and sometimes these are inaccessible to compromise.

So that in the abortion debate, both sides care about life, but one side (simplistically speaking) privileges that of the mother, and one privileges the unborn.

I think this whole thing also points to the dangers of unquestioning loyalty to one's friends and assuming that good intentions are relevant, sufficient, and some kind of magical thing that protects one from criticism.

Wow, I love that analogy. Thank you for taking the time to share it! I hope you don't mind if I friend you because of it... I promise not to be an obsessive commenter or otherwise follow you around with a plate of cookies. Unless you like cookies. :)